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Good Luck !

C'est le bordel.

 
Maybe if you didn't stay that much speaking on MSN.....      
 
Well, I guess we'll have more news tomorrow    

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J'aime ma 206 hdi...
Mais je préfère ma M3 !!!
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It's difficult to fit in the engine bay ?
 
 
 

...no pretty easy to fit - only takes 5min. or so...

Peugeot = Plug&Play engines

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Bourrin staÿle

Je sais pas si c'est ironique ce qu'il a ecris justement...

Du coup peut etre que quelqu'un pourrait modifier le titre du topic en quelque chose comme "Lars 206 HDI Project" ca collerait plus non?
Parceque la, exit le biturbo

Finally got the car finished, but.....
 

 
then found the battery had gone flat...*LOL*  
 
Should have it running by tonight...

Ah bein il a mis un PC de 407, yaura plus de place pour l echangeur.

Chausse pied powahhhh

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Xsara VTS XU10J4RS 167 Jaune Naissant
C5 2L0 16V SX
Papa de Léo

Mort de rire le coup de la batterie qui lâche aprés toute cette debauche SM de technique et mecanique pointue
 
La Loi de Murphy, pour sûr
 
 
 

I can imagine how happy you should have been when you wanted to go for a ride  

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Mais pourquoi la batterie a laché ??

So lars did you make it ?

LARS, hot news for today?
 
The car runs?
 
It's necessary to inform us, now we are given drugs!! LOL
 
 

ha ha, yes it runs - in fail safe mode :-(
 
Think I may have misunderstood a part of the wiring diagram for boost control. I will test a couple of things - allmost sure I got it now though :-)
 
thought the selenoid was 5v supply - now pretty sure its 12v - doh!
...so only a small change....will go try it out :-)

 
When is the dead line ?

Up Up Up!!
 
Le topic d'endors! ça serait dommage  
 

Lars, what about the new single turbo stage ?!    

Been a while since my last update - so just a short blurp:
 
Got the boost control working pretty good, but sometimes it still overboost´s and goes into limp-mode. This has to be sorted on the dyno, before its perfect - as its very sensitive.
 
Will fit new injectors...again - this time from a mercedes C330 AMG :-)
 
Wanted injectors that was 60% bigger - but couldn´t find that anywhere yet :-(
 
normal hdi 2,2L injectors flow 68ml/sek - the AMG injectors flow 97ml/sek - so a increase of 42%, really hope this will be enough.
 
This will happend on thursday + I will get it remapped, so friday I should have some power-figures and a dyno sheet for you all - keep fingers crossed, that it doesn´t blow on the dyno...hehe

Good luck.

Great Lars !!    
 
By the way, what's normal 2.0L hdi injectors' flow ??
 
It's going to work well, no doubt about it !!  

3 days later... what's up doc?

 
Did you have a look at the injectors fitted on trucks ??    

just got back from belgium - attended a seminar through work....
 
...yeh looked at truck injectors :-)
 
but they flow WAY to much, haha....somewhere in the +200ml region.
 
have a leak at one of the special waterhoses behind the engine I need to fix tomorrow, and then it should be ready for the final tuning on thursday..

So that's good news
 
Good luck

Well the leak is not really a good news... but he find it pretty quickly so it should be fixed soon.
Lars, I'm on my way as well to finish mine hehe

Il paraît
T'en es où Deurf

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Bourrin staÿle

Null part il a pas commander les durites rien quedal, il s'en branle de ca caisse t'imagine meme pas!
Même les ampoules cramés il les change pas!!!!

C'est pas parce qu'il a fait locker son topic qu'il a plus de caisse, non plus
Tiens, j'ai un stop à changer, moi aussi

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Finally got back - with some more knowledge.
 
Yesterday I went to a bosch testcenter where I could borrow their equipment for flow testing.
 
So set out to test various conditions:
 

 
mercedes C30 AMG vs my old modified injectors:
to my surprise they delivered the same amount: 69mm3/h at 1350bar and 1ms openingtime...
bit wierd as the C30 injectors should have delivered 89mm3/h....hmmm!
 
modified versus standard 2,2 injectors
Standard injectors was to flow 61mm3/h (not 67-68 as I said above...)
 - So only a increase of 13% of flow.
 
modified versus standard 2,0 injectors
standard 2,0 injectors flow about 50mm3/h BUT........!!!!!
 
when I fitted the modified injectortips to the 2,0L injectorbody and tested them....they gave 80mm3/h!!! (with the 2,2L hdi body they only gave 69mm3/h) this is an increase of 62% in flowrate for the 2L hdi engine! - explains the good succesrate i had with these injectors :-)
 


 
So the final conclusion:  
As the the C30 and the modified injector nozzles delivered the exact same amount on the 2,2L injec.body and both delivered more when fitted to the 2,0L injec.body:
The injectorbody has influence on how much flow the injector-tips can deliver....seems the feed-hole inside the 2,2L injectorbody is smaller than the one on the 2L injectorbody = one can never make more power on the 2,2L engine than the 2,0L....unless this feed-hole can be made bigger! (working on that)
 
So with this new info I now know why I cant get the power I wanted from the 2,2L, so wont go fish for it anymore. But I now know what to do, but not how to....yet. So wont reach my power-aim untill this is solve.
 
I still got the map on the car adjusted a bit: no smoke and boostcontrol now works + rpm limiter at 5500rpm!
 
have some small problems still - to long pause on fueldelivery when changing gears, and occationally the ECU goes into fail safe mode
 
Finally a small video from the dyno:
http://www.efterz.com/lars/206_2.2 [...] ng_206.wmv
 
will keep on working on solving the limited flowrate of the injectorbody...when I know some more I will share it with you...

That is interesting !!!
 
So it's impossible to obtain your "aim power", and by the way more power with the 2.2 than with the 2.0 because of the feedhole not big enough...
 
Hum the flow difference with the same injectors but on the 2.0 or 2.2 is very surprising for me !
 
 
Hope you'll find how to obtain a bigger feedhole... don't know how !  

I'm really impressived by the equipment you're using, it's rare to see people who wants to increase their knowledge as deeper as you do!
I was wondering if motor optmising was your job, with a wage at end's month, or maybe only a hobby? Do you share your experience & knowledge with other people of this "middle"? (would be disappointed to ear that all that is lost once the car finished... )
 
 
I'll Keep looking for new Lars adventures, good luck
 
 

 
Lars used to own a shop working on upgrading cars (he gave links with 206 T16, Civic turbo, ...) ... Then he sold the shop and decided to work on diesel engines : this appeared as a "new challenge" for him !!!      
 
When talking about sharing his experience, he is doing it for us. Even Deurf didn't go so far on some "high level" specs...